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  • Exclusive: US-Saudi defence pact tied to Israel deal, Palestinian demands put aside

    Sept 29 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia is determined to secure a military pact requiring the United States to defend the kingdom in return for opening ties with Israel and will not hold up a deal even if Israel does not offer major concessions to Palestinians in their bid for statehood, three regional sources familiar with the talks said.

    A pact might fall short of the cast-iron, NATO-style defence guarantees the kingdom initially sought when the issue was first discussed between Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Joe Biden during the U.S. president's visit to Saudi Arabia in July 2022.

    Instead, a U.S. source said it could look like treaties Washington has with Asian states or, if that would not win U.S. Congress approval, it could be similar to a U.S. agreement with Bahrain, where the U.S. Navy Fifth Fleet is based. Such an agreement would not need congressional backing.

    Washington could also sweeten any deal by designating Saudi Arabia a Major Non-NATO Ally, a status already given to Israel, the U.S. source said.

    But all the sources said Saudi Arabia would not settle for less than binding assurances of U.S. protection if it faced attack, such as the Sept. 14, 2019 missile strikes on its oil sites that rattled world markets. Riyadh and Washington blamed Iran, the kingdom's regional rival, although Tehran denied having a role.

    Agreements giving the world's biggest oil exporter U.S. protection in return for normalisation with Israel would reshape the Middle East by bringing together two longtime foes and binding Riyadh to Washington after China's inroads in the region. For Biden, it would be a diplomatic victory to vaunt before the 2024 U.S. election.

    The Palestinians could get some Israeli restrictions eased but such moves would fall short of their aspirations for a state. As with other Arab-Israeli deals forged over the decades, the Palestinian core demand for statehood would take a back seat, the three regional sources familiar with the talks said.

    "The normalisation will be between Israel and Saudi Arabia. If the Palestinians oppose it the kingdom will continue in its path," said one of the regional sources. "Saudi Arabia supports a peace plan for the Palestinians, but this time it wanted something for Saudi Arabia, not just for the Palestinians."

    The Saudi government did not respond to emailed questions about this article.

    'LESS THAN A FULL TREATY'

    A U.S. official, who like others declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter, said the parameters of a defence pact were still being worked out, adding that what was being discussed "would not be a treaty alliance or anything like that ... It would be a mutual defence understanding, less than a full treaty."

    The official said it would be more like the U.S. relationship with Israel, which receives the most advanced U.S. weapons and holds joint air force and missile defence drills.

    A source in Washington familiar with the discussions said MbS had asked for a NATO-style treaty but said Washington was reluctant to go as far as NATO's Article 5 commitment that an attack on one ally is considered an attack on all.

    The source said Biden's aides could consider a pact patterned on those with Japan and other Asian allies, under which the U.S. pledges military support but is less explicit about whether U.S. troops would be deployed. However, the source said some U.S. lawmakers might resist such a pact.

    Another template, which would not need congressional approval, would be the agreement signed with Bahrain on Sept. 13, in which the U.S. pledged to "deter and confront any external aggression" but also said the two governments would consult to determine what, if any, action would be taken.

    The source in Washington said Saudi Arabia could be designated a Major Non-NATO Ally, a step which had long been considered. This status, which several Arab states such as Egypt have, comes with a range of benefits, such as training.

    The second of the regional sources said Riyadh was compromising in some demands to help secure a deal, including over its plans for civilian nuclear technology. The source said Saudi Arabia was ready to sign Section 123 of the U.S. Atomic Energy Act, establishing a framework for U.S. peaceful nuclear cooperation, a move Riyadh previously refused to take.

    The Gulf source said the kingdom was prepared to accept a pact that did not match a NATO Article 5 guarantee but said the U.S. had to commit to protecting Saudi Arabia if its territory was attacked. The source also said a deal could be similar to Bahrain's agreement but with extra commitments.

    'LOTS OF WORK TO DO'

    In response to emailed questions about details in this article, a U.S. State Department spokesperson said: "Many of the key elements of a pathway towards normalisation are now on the table and there is a broad understanding of those elements, which we will not discuss publicly."

    "There's still lots of work to do, and we're working through it," the spokesperson added, saying there was not yet a formal framework and stakeholders were working on legal and other elements.

    The spokesperson did not address specifics about the U.S.-Saudi defence pact in the response.

    Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has hailed the possibility of a "historic" peace with Saudi Arabia, the heartland of Islam. But to secure the prize, Netanyahu has to win the approval of parties in his a far-right coalition which reject any concessions to the Palestinians.

    MbS said in a Fox News interview this month that the kingdom was moving steadily closer to normalising ties with Israel. He spoke about the need for Israel to "ease the life of the Palestinians" but made no mention of Palestinian statehood.

    Nevertheless, diplomats and the regional sources said MbS was insisting on some commitments from Israel to show he was not abandoning the Palestinians and that he was seeking to keep the door open to a two-state solution.

    Those would include demanding Israel transfer some Israeli-controlled territory in the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority (PA), limit Jewish settlement activity and halt any steps to annex parts of the West Bank. Riyadh has also promised financial aid to the PA, the diplomats and sources said.

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has said any bargain must recognise the Palestinian right to a state within the 1967 borders, including East Jerusalem, and must stop Israeli settlement building. However, all the sources said a Saudi-Israeli deal was unlikely to address those flashpoint issues.

    Netanyahu has said Palestinians should not have a veto over any peacemaking deal.

    Yet, even if the U.S, Israel and Saudi Arabia agree, winning support from lawmakers in the U.S. Congress remains a challenge.

    Republicans and those in Biden's Democratic Party have previously denounced Riyadh for its military intervention in Yemen, its moves to prop up oil prices and its role in the 2018 killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, who worked for the Washington Post. MbS denied ordering the killing.

    "What's important for Saudi Arabia is for Biden to have the pact approved by Congress," the first regional source said, pointing to concessions Riyadh was making to secure a deal.

    For Biden, a deal that builds a U.S.-Israeli-Saudi axis could put a brake on China's diplomatic inroads after Beijing brokered a rapprochement between Saudi Arabia and Iran, which Washington accuses of seeking nuclear arms. Tehran denies this.

    "There was a sense that the U.S. has abandoned the region," said one diplomat. "By courting China, the Saudis wanted to create some anxiety that will make the U.S. re-engage. It has worked."

    Reporting by Samia Nakhoul in Dubai, James Mackenzie, Dan Williams and Ali Sawafta in Jerusalmen, Aziz El Yaacouby in Riyadh, Steve Holland, Matt Spetalnick, Humeyra Pamuk and Patricia Zengerle in Washington; Writing by Samia Nakhoul; Editing by Edmund Blair

    Reuters

  • #2
    https://www.algerie-dz.com/forums/in...x-palestiniens

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    • #3
      Il semble que les saoudiens ont vendu le match, à leur tour
      Dernière modification par El-Magico, 29 septembre 2023, 21h23.

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      • #4
        El-Magico

        l'article explique aussi ou se trouve le bloquage aux États-Unis c'est notamment Le Congrès américain qui a une influence significative sur la politique étrangère des États-Unis.

        A savoir avant de parler voici le background qui sont le congressistes

        Historiquement, le Congrès a eu une représentation juive proportionnellement plus élevée que la population juive des États-Unis dans son ensemble.

        Congrès n'est pas limité aux membres juifs; il a des racines profondes et diverses, allant des intérêts stratégiques aux convictions religieuses de certains membres chrétiens ( Les convictions religieuses auxquelles je fais référence)

        1.Restauration d'Israëlsignes précurseurs du retour du Christ.

        2. **Bataille d'Armageddon** : Certains croient que la bataille finale entre le bien et le mal aura lieu à Armageddon (en Israël) et que cela précédera le second avènement du Christ.

        3. **Bénédictions pour ceux qui soutiennent Israël** : Un verset de la Genèse (12:3) où Dieu dit à Abraham : "Je bénirai ceux qui te bénissent" est souvent interprété par ces chrétiens comme une promesse de bénédictions pour ceux qui soutiennent Israël et les Juifs.

        4. **Histoire et patrimoine partagés** : Certains chrétiens voient Israël et le peuple juif comme ayant un rôle central dans l'histoire chrétienne et la Bible, et donc soutenir Israël est une extension de leur foi.

        5. **Relations interconfessionnelles** : Il existe de nombreuses initiatives interconfessionnelles entre Juifs et Chrétiens aux États-Unis qui mettent l'accent sur le soutien mutuel et la compréhension. Ces initiatives renforcent souvent le soutien à Israël.

        Après les rares qui restent on va dire "cool" "ouvert" au dialogue sont liés à Israël d'autres manières.

        raisons culturelles pour lesquelles certains Américains soutiennent Israël :

        1. **Valeurs partagées** : Beaucoup considèrent que les États-Unis et Israël partagent des valeurs démocratiques, comme la liberté d'expression, la séparation des pouvoirs et le respect des droits de l'homme. Cette perception d'une alliance basée sur des valeurs communes renforce le soutien à Israël. (Khashoggi ça ils n'oublient pas...).

        2. **Histoire des persécutions** : La connaissance de l'Holocauste et des persécutions historiques subies par le peuple juif peut susciter de la sympathie et un désir de soutenir un refuge sûr pour les Juifs.

        3. **Éducation et échanges** : Les programmes d'échange culturel et éducatif entre les États-Unis et Israël, comme le programme Birthright qui offre des voyages en Israël pour les jeunes Juifs, contribuent à renforcer les liens culturels et personnels.

        4. **Médias et divertissement** : La représentation positive d'Israël dans certains médias et la présence d'individus influents d'origine juive dans le secteur du divertissement peuvent influencer la perception du pays.




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        • #5
          En raison de convictions culturelles et religieuses profondément enracinées, ainsi que d'intérêts stratégiques, le soutien envers Israël est fortement ancré chez les Américains.

          Par ailleurs, l'Arabie Saoudite, malgré sa puissance pétrolière, est vue avec méfiance à cause d'événements controversés tels que l'assassinat de Khashoggi et son rôle dans la guerre au Yémen. Biden lui-même avait évoqué le statut paria de l'Arabie Saoudite lors de sa campagne.

          En dépit de cet isolement régional (irak, syrie, liban, yemen...), les Chinois ont su percevoir une opportunité stratégique, notamment face à l'enjeu iranien.
          Pourtant, les USA ne sont pas disposés à laisser l'Arabie Saoudite s'éloigner complètement, ni la Chine dominer le monde....

          La guerre en Ukraine et la recrudescence des tensions géopolitiques ailleurs dans le monde montrent à quel point les alliances peuvent être volatiles.


          Chaque nation, occidentale ou non, joue ses cartes en fonction de ses intérêts, faisant de la diplomatie internationale un véritable bal des mots dits

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          • #6


            Selon la presse, les discussions tournent en particulier autour de la nature et du degré des garanties de sécurité que les Etats-Unis accorderaient à l’Arabie saoudite, gouvernée de facto par le prince héritier Mohammed ben Salmane.

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            • #7
              Selon la presse, les discussions tournent en particulier autour de la nature et du degré des garanties de sécurité que les Etats-Unis accorderaient à l’Arabie saoudite, gouvernée de facto par le prince héritier Mohammed ben Salmane.
              Tu as raison c'est une part de l'équation.
              C'est aussi la préoccupations d'Israël qui veut garder sa suprématie militaire.

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              • #8
                Par ailleurs, l'Arabie Saoudite, malgré sa puissance pétrolière, est vue avec méfiance à cause d'événements controversés tels que l'assassinat de Khashoggi et son rôle dans la guerre au Yémen. Biden lui-même avait évoqué le statut paria de l'Arabie Saoudite lors de sa campagne.
                les saoudiens savent bien qu'un jour ou autre il y aura des sanctions de la part du Congres en relation avec leur implication dans les attentats de 11 septembre 2001, la loi Jassta décrétée en 2015 a mis les saoudiens en état d'alerte maximal, dès lors ils ne font plus confiance en États-Unis,

                a chaque fois MBS voit l'étau se resserre autour de lui, il se mit a improviser dans la politique dans son pays, son projet d'adhésion au BRICS ou sa désignation comme premier ministre l'an dernier pour acquérir une immunité diplomatique pour éviter toute arrestation possible

                Dernière modification par El-Magico, 30 septembre 2023, 11h11.

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