Les soldats russes pillent les magasins et les banques en Ukraine

[mekssa]

c,est exactement l,image que veut montré l,occident de l,armée russe
les méchant russe contre les ukrainiens de coeur
oublions pas l,histoire les russes on combattus les nazis jusqu,au bunker d,hitler

[alibigoud]

mekssa

oublions pas l,histoire les russes on combattus les nazis jusqu,au bunker d,hitler

On n'oublie pas non plus qu'Hitler et Staline étaient des alliés jusqu'au 22 juin 1941 et qu'ils se sont associés comme larrons en foire pour attaquer et dépecer la Pologne.
Ensuite, ils se sont battus entre eux. C'était une guerre entre deux voyous.

[infinite1]

en faite , nous autres on s'est fait a l'idée depuis quelque années déjà . la c'est ton subconscient qui te fait ses derniers bip bip bip . encore une fois , ton cas est affligeant et crois moi le mot est faible .

Pourquoi affligeant? ... Je n’ai jamais caché ma satisfaction à gratter là où ça fait mal...

t'aurai pu choisir un autre exemple et dieu sait qu'il y'en a et sur qui personne n'aurait eu a dire . mais voila ce que ca donne quand on perd tout sens d'objectivité

Ou alors laisser les autres choisir pour moi, malheureusement ce n'est pas dans ma nature.

Ma nature à moi voit en l'objectivité la qualité de ce qui est conforme à la réalité, elle relève de mon jugement propre à décrire les faits avec exactitude, et non pas comme on voudrait qu-ils soient ...

[ayoub7]

Je pense au contraire que le monde a trop vite pardonné à la Russie les crimes qu'elle a commise, juste pour avoir la paix. Mais les russes ont tué beaucoup plus que les nazis. Je ne sais pas si certains feignent d'ignorer l'histoire ou s'ils le font par ignorance, mais je leur conseille de revenir à ce que Staline a fait à son propre peuple et aux autres peuples. Donc non, cette idéologie doit mourir, comme le nazisme est mort et comme le darshisme mourra. Le monde doit dépasser ces dictateurs qui veulent raviver les massacres d'un autre temps, pour coloniser, piller et flatter leur égo.

[Zviti]

Je n’ai jamais caché ma satisfaction à gratter là où ça fait mal...

ou tu crois que ca fait mal . la est toute la différence

Ou alors laisser les autres choisir pour moi, malheureusement ce n'est pas dans ma nature.

attirer l'attention sur des détails qui n'ont rien a avoir avec l'échange quand ca coince , ca ca fait partie de ta nature . personne n'a parler des autres . l'objectivité , la bonne foi , c'est entre toi et toi seulement .

Ma nature à moi voit en l'objectivité la qualité de ce qui est conforme à la réalité, elle relève de mon jugement propre à décrire les faits avec exactitude, et non pas comme on voudrait qu-ils soient ...

laisse moi rire . tu sais surement ce qu'on dit du pire aveugle

[Issabrahimi]

alibigoud

Al Qaida a revendiqué les attentats du 11 septembre. Al-qaida =Ben Laden.

Est-ce qu'il faut le rappeller que le deuxieme de la nébulation Alqaida Aiman al zawahiri était un agent du KGB? Et Ben laden possiblement de la CIA?

[Zviti]

Je ne sais pas si certains feignent d'ignorer l'histoire ou s'ils le font par ignorance

Quand on sait qu'il y'a des exemples tout recent et qui on fait des centaines de milliers de victimes et dont des cas qui en souffre encore des consequences . Y'a de quoi se demander qui feigne reellement ? Puis des qu'on decouvre qui est derriere cette hypocrisie et ce double discours , y'a plus lieu de se poser de question

[Issabrahimi]

alibigoud

Un article pour vous du site businessinsider qui montre les liens entre Zawahiri et les services secrets Russes:

Exploring Al Qaeda’s Murky Connection To Russian Intelligence




– Honoré de Balzac

The history of al-Qa’ida has been extensively documented in many languages. Since the 9/11 attacks on the United States, massive research has been devoted to uncovering the origins of the global jihad movement, its strategies, concepts of operations, and ultimate aspirations.[1]

Such works have been assisted by the willingness of al-Qa’ida to talk openly about some parts of its narrative. While many aspects of al-Qa’ida’s almost thirty-year history have been examined in impressive detail, other parts of the story remain shrouded in mystery. In some cases, gaps are caused by a lack of information available to analysts and researchers. However, other underreported stories in the development of the global jihad movement remain untold, or unexplained, by apparent design.

No greater example exists of this “blank page” in the al-Qa’ida story than its connections to foreign intelligence services. While it is generally known that bin Laden’s legionaries have fostered ties, at times, with secret services as varied as the Saudi, Pakistani, Sudanese, Iranian, Iraqi, and Bosnian, few details have emerged, thanks to the desire on all sides to keep the saga out of the media spotlight.[2]

The murkiest of these relations, however, has been the connection between al-Qa’ida and Russian intelligence. While the outlines of the story have been known for years, and even admitted by Moscow and the mujahidin, details remain elusive. Moreover, asking important questions about this relationship seems to be an issue few appear interested in probing deeply, even in the United States.

That Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden’s right-hand man and the leader of the global jihad movement since bin Laden’s death in May 2011, spent almost a half-year in the mid-1990s in the custody of Russian intelligence is admitted by both sides and is a matter of public record.[3]

Just as significant, Zawahiri’s Russian sojourn occurred at a pivotal point in the development of al-Qa’ida; the shift in strategy, resulting in attacks on the “far enemy” (i.e. the United States), the road leading to 9/11, occurred after Zawahiri’s imprisonment by the Russians.

The outline of the story is clear.[4] At about 4 am on December 1, 1996, Zawahiri was detained in southern Russia while attempting to enter Chechnya, the breakaway province of Moscow recently roiled by war. Accompanying the doctor in the van were two other radicals from Egypt and a Chechen guide.

The Egyptians, wanted men in their home country and several others, were traveling under aliases; Zawahiri was “Abdullah Imam Mohammed Amin,” according to the Sudanese passport he carried, which had stamps from many countries – among them Yemen, Malaysia, Singapore – he had visited in the 20 months before his arrest.

Zawahiri’s two Egyptian companions were veteran mujahidin from Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ), the group Zawahiri had been associated with for years and had headed since 1993. Ahmad Salama Mabruk ran EIJ’s activities in Azerbaijan under the cover of a trading firm called Bavari-C, while Mahmud Hisham al-Hennawi had extensive experience on jihad in parts of Asia.

The three Arabs were extensively interrogated by the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), which noted the inmates’ religious fervor, and the surprising support they received from Islamic organizations around the Muslim world. Twenty-six imams signed an appeal for the release of the three “businessmen”; others denounced Russian authorities of doing “the devil’s work” by detaining the hard-praying Muslims.

The FSB had ample reason to doubt the Arabs’ cover story. Among the items confiscated from the trio included details about bank accounts in Hong Kong, mainland China, Malaysia, and the U.S. (specifically St. Louis), plus substantial cash in seven currencies. Their laptop computer was seized and subjected to forensic analysis by the FSB.

“Mr. Amin,” whose Sudanese passport depicted a Western-dressed middle-aged man with a very short beard, arrived in Russia possessing two forged graduation certificates from Cairo University’s medical faculty, with differing dates. FSB investigation of Bavari-C, the EIJ front company in Baku, quickly determined that no such firm existed in Azerbaijan.

Radical Muslims in Russia, including one member of the Duma, pleaded for their release, explaining that the Arabs had come to Russia to “study the market for food trade.” Various activists from across the region likewise wrote letters on the men’s behalf, claiming they embodied “honesty and decency”; the advocates included leading Arab mujahidin, among them Tharwat Salah Shehata, later head of EIJ.

When Shehata got permission to visit “Mr. Amin” in his prison cell, he was given an encrypted letter by the inmate; after the visit, the FSB claimed to have found $3,000 in the cell occupied by the Arabs.

When the case finally went to court in April 1997, “Mr. Amin” prayed hard and lied effectively, claiming that he had entered Russia “to find out the price for leather, medicine, and other goods.” Rejecting the prosecution’s request for a three-year sentence, the judge gave them six months each; almost immediately they were released, time served.

The FSB returned the men their possessions, including the cash, communications gear, and the laptop. After their release, Zawahiri spent ten days clandestinely meeting with Islamists in Dagestan, which presumably had been the original purpose of his trip to the region.

Shortly thereafter, he headed for Afghanistan to establish his fateful alliance with bin Laden, which was cemented in the mid-February 1998 announcement of a new partnership between the men and their organizations in a Global Islamic Front for Jihad against Jews and Crusaders. Thus was al-Qa’ida officially born and the path to 9/11 was established.

Zawahiri has been tight-lipped about his half-year in Russia; his numerous writings and pronouncements about his life barely mention the tale. “God blinded them to our identities,” he explained. The FSB agrees that they failed to identify the leading holy warrior. “In 1997, Russian special services were not aware of al-Zawahiri,” elaborated an FSB spokesman in 2003: “However, later, using various databases, we managed to identify this former detainee.”[5]

There are many reasons to doubt the official story told by both sides in the affair. In the first place, Zawahiri was one of the world’s most wanted terrorists in 1996, having played a leading role in the assassination of President Anwar Sadat in 1981; the doctor’s role in the subsequent public trial was televised in many countries.

[Anzoul]

Les soldats russes pillent les magasins et les banques en Ukraine

j'ai envie de dire : and so what.
C'est la moindre des choses, une ville conquise doit subir les honneurs des conquérants, càd self service gratuit pour eux de droit.
Heureusement pour les Ukrainiens et les Ukrainiennes principalement, s'ils avaient attaqué les russes les premiers,ils auraient sans doute subi le viol collectif qu'ont subi les allemandes en 1945.