Dégel irano-golfien: Riyad trahi aussi par les "siens"?!

[Adama]

Ernestito à 13h19

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Et dans l'accord, c'est simplement l’arrêt de l'enrichissement à plus de 20% mais l'Iran peut continuer à faire tourner ces centrales.

Sous la barre des 5 %, à 3, 5 % en quantité strictement définie.

Ernestito à 14h33

J'ai toujours dit que l'Iran n'aurait jamais la bombe nucléaire, pour plusieurs raisons:

1/ si ils l'avaient voulu, ils l'auraient depuis au moins une décennie, tout comme l'a fait la corée du nord ou le Pakistan.

2/L'Iran est signataire de la non prolifération des armes nucléaires.

3/ il ne faut pas oublié que l'Iran reste un pays islamiste, et une fetwa a été lancée contre l'arme nucléaire.

Ceux qui pensent ou pensaient que l'Iran voulaient se doter de l'arme nucléaire, méconnaissent vraiment la situation depuis 1979

lol ^^

Et les 186 kilos d’uranium enrichi à 20 % (Nov. 2013) - 240 kilos enrichi a 20 % suffise pour produire une bombe A -. Alors qu’une centrale nucléaire ne nécessite pour son fonctionnement qu’un uranium enrichi à environ 3, 5 %.

La fabrication du réacteur d’Arak pour la production massive de plutonium dont l’usage premier est la fabrication d’arme nucléaire.

C'est pour les cochons sans doute ? ^^


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[confiture]

Même a 5%, un embargo avait été imposé (les premières sanctions datent de 1996, voir Iran and Lybia Sanctions Act of 1996) . Le but était que l'Iran cesse tout enrichissement d'uranium.
Enrichir jusqu'à 20% lui a permit de mieux négocier, de faire accepter à la communauté internationale son droit à l'enrichissement à 5%. Cette technique est vieille comme le monde: avoir le maximum de pions sur l'échiquier pour en sacrifier juste quelques uns

Tu peux toujours rêver !!!


C'est une crise qui dure depuis dix ans. Après quatre jours de négociations difficiles sur le programme nucléaire de Téhéran, les grandes puissances et l'Iran sont parvenus à un accord à Genève le week-end le 24 novembre. L'accord entre l'Iran, d'un côté, et l'Allemagne, la Chine, les Etats-Unis, la France, le Royaume-Uni et la Russie, de l'autre, suspend les volets les plus controversés du programme atomique de l'Iran en lui imposant d'arrêter l'enrichissement d'uranium au-dessus de 5%, de neutraliser ses réserves enrichies à 20% et de stopper le projet de réacteur à eau lourde d'Arak. En échange, les six grandes puissances s'engagent à ne pas imposer de nouvelles sanctions au cours des six prochains mois, et les Etats-Unis estiment que l'allégement des restrictions existantes va permettre à Téhéran d'accéder à des milliards de dollars de revenus liés au pétrole, aux produits pétrochimiques, à l'or et au secteur automobile.

[Adama]

Citation :

Breaking down the Iran nuclear deal

By CNN Staff
November 24, 2013 -- Updated 1635 GMT (0035 HKT)

(CNN) -- The White House late Saturday issued a detailed synopsis, or "fact sheet," of the six-month deal regarding Iran's nuclear program.

Below is a copy of the agreement's details, verbatim from the White House:

Halting the progress of Iran's program and rolling back key elements


Iran has committed to halt enrichment above 5%:

• Halt all enrichment (above 5% and dismantle the technical connections required to enrich above 5%).


Iran has committed to neutralize its stockpile of near-20% uranium:

• Dilute below 5% or convert to a form not suitable for further enrichment its entire stockpile of near-20% enriched uranium before the end of the initial phase.


Iran has committed to halt progress on its enrichment capacity:

• Not install additional centrifuges of any type.

• Not install or use any next-generation centrifuges to enrich uranium.

• Leave inoperable roughly half of installed centrifuges at Natanz and three-quarters of installed centrifuges at Fordow, so they cannot be used to enrich uranium.

• Limit its centrifuge production to those needed to replace damaged machines, so Iran cannot use the six months to stockpile centrifuges.

• Not construct additional enrichment facilities.


Iran has committed to halt progress on the growth of its 3.5% stockpile:

• Not increase its stockpile of 3.5% low enriched uranium, so that the amount is not greater at the end of the six months than it is at the beginning, and any newly enriched 3.5% enriched uranium is converted into oxide.

Iran has committed to no further advances of its activities at Arak and to halt progress on its plutonium track. Iran has committed to:

• Not commission the Arak reactor.

• Not fuel the Arak reactor.

• Halt the production of fuel for the Arak reactor.

• No additional testing of fuel for the Arak reactor.

• Not install any additional reactor components at Arak.

• Not transfer fuel and heavy water to the reactor site.

• Not construct a facility capable of reprocessing. Without reprocessing, Iran cannot separate plutonium from spent fuel.


Unprecedented transparency and intrusive monitoring of Iran's nuclear program

Iran has committed to:

• Provide daily access by IAEA inspectors at Natanz and Fordow. This daily access will permit inspectors to review surveillance camera footage to ensure comprehensive monitoring. This access will provide even greater transparency into enrichment at these sites and shorten detection time for any non-compliance.

• Provide IAEA access to centrifuge assembly facilities.

• Provide IAEA access to centrifuge rotor component production and storage facilities.

• Provide IAEA access to uranium mines and mills.

• Provide long-sought design information for the Arak reactor. This will provide critical insight into the reactor that has not previously been available.

• Provide more frequent inspector access to the Arak reactor.

• Provide certain key data and information called for in the Additional Protocol to Iran's IAEA Safeguards Agreement and Modified Code 3.1.


Verification mechanism

The IAEA will be called upon to perform many of these verification steps, consistent with their ongoing inspection role in Iran. In addition, the P5+1 and Iran have committed to establishing a Joint Commission to work with the IAEA to monitor implementation and address issues that may arise. The Joint Commission will also work with the IAEA to facilitate resolution of past and present concerns with respect to Iran's nuclear program, including the possible military dimension of Iran's nuclear program and Iran's activities at Parchin.


Limited, temporary, reversible relief

In return for these steps, the P5+1 is to provide limited, temporary, targeted, and reversible relief while maintaining the vast bulk of our sanctions, including the oil, finance, and banking sanctions architecture. If Iran fails to meet its commitments, we will revoke the relief. Specifically the P5+1 has committed to:

• Not impose new nuclear-related sanctions for six months, if Iran abides by its commitments under this deal, to the extent permissible within their political systems.

• Suspend certain sanctions on gold and precious metals, Iran's auto sector, and Iran's petrochemical exports, potentially providing Iran approximately $1.5 billion in revenue.

• License safety-related repairs and inspections inside Iran for certain Iranian airlines.

• Allow purchases of Iranian oil to remain at their currently significantly reduced levels -- levels that are 60% less than two years ago. $4.2 billion from these sales will be allowed to be transferred in installments if, and as, Iran fulfills its commitments.

• Allow $400 million in governmental tuition assistance to be transferred from restricted Iranian funds directly to recognized educational institutions in third countries to defray the tuition costs of Iranian students.


Humanitarian transactions

Facilitate humanitarian transactions that are already allowed by U.S. law. Humanitarian transactions have been explicitly exempted from sanctions by Congress so this channel will not provide Iran access to any new source of funds. Humanitarian transactions are those related to Iran's purchase of food, agricultural commodities, medicine, medical devices; we would also facilitate transactions for medical expenses incurred abroad. We will establish this channel for the benefit of the Iranian people.


Putting limited relief in perspective

In total, the approximately $7 billion in relief is a fraction of the costs that Iran will continue to incur during this first phase under the sanctions that will remain in place. The vast majority of Iran's approximately $100 billion in foreign exchange holdings are inaccessible or restricted by sanctions.

In the next six months, Iran's crude oil sales cannot increase. Oil sanctions alone will result in approximately $30 billion in lost revenues to Iran -- or roughly $5 billion per month -- compared to what Iran earned in a six month period in 2011, before these sanctions took effect. While Iran will be allowed access to $4.2 billion of its oil sales, nearly $15 billion of its revenues during this period will go into restricted overseas accounts. In summary, we expect the balance of Iran's money in restricted accounts overseas will actually increase, not decrease, under the terms of this deal.


Maintaining economic pressure on Iran and preserving our sanctions architecture

During the first phase, we will continue to vigorously enforce our sanctions against Iran, including by taking action against those who seek to evade or circumvent our sanctions.

• Sanctions affecting crude oil sales will continue to impose pressure on Iran's government. Working with our international partners, we have cut Iran's oil sales from 2.5 million barrels per day (bpd) in early 2012 to 1 million bpd today, denying Iran the ability to sell almost 1.5 million bpd. That's a loss of more than $80 billion since the beginning of 2012 that Iran will never be able to recoup. Under this first step, the EU crude oil ban will remain in effect and Iran will be held to approximately 1 million bpd in sales, resulting in continuing lost sales worth an additional $4 billion per month, every month, going forward.

• Sanctions affecting petroleum product exports to Iran, which result in billions of dollars of lost revenue, will remain in effect.

• The vast majority of Iran's approximately $100 billion in foreign exchange holdings remain inaccessible or restricted by our sanctions.

• Other significant parts of our sanctions regime remain intact, including:

-- Sanctions against the Central Bank of Iran and approximately two dozen other major Iranian banks and financial actors;

-- Secondary sanctions, pursuant to the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (CISADA) as amended and other laws, on banks that do business with U.S.-designated individuals and entities;

-- Sanctions on those who provide a broad range of other financial services to Iran, such as many types of insurance; and,

-- Restricted access to the U.S. financial system.

• All sanctions on over 600 individuals and entities targeted for supporting Iran's nuclear or ballistic missile program remain in effect.

• Sanctions on several sectors of Iran's economy, including shipping and shipbuilding, remain in effect.

• Sanctions on long-term investment in and provision of technical services to Iran's energy sector remain in effect.

• Sanctions on Iran's military program remain in effect.

• Broad U.S. restrictions on trade with Iran remain in effect, depriving Iran of access to virtually all dealings with the world's biggest economy.

• All UN Security Council sanctions remain in effect.

• All of our targeted sanctions related to Iran's state sponsorship of terrorism, its destabilizing role in the Syrian conflict, and its abysmal human rights record, among other concerns, remain in effect.


CNN


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[pioto]

Heureusement, l'axe Riyadh-Israel-Rabat reste debout! ça aurait été l'apocalypse assuré avec ses démissions en chaine des Etats dits gendarmes du monde & leurs larbins du golf !
L'Algérie doit immédiatement se mettre sous le parapluie chérifien ,la baraka du mimi aidant, on serait doublement à l'abri des foudres des ayatollahs !

[Adama]

Mdr... ^^

Cela n’a aucune importance, le but a été atteint avec des centaines de milliards de dollars dépensés par les mollahs en pure perte.

Avec cerise sur le gâteau. ^^

http://www.algerie-dz.com/forums//sh...2&postcount=12

[andromed]

Que l'Iran revienne sur ses principe et sa pseudo independance ne vous gene guere, mais qu'on sous entend que le Maroc puisse etre dans l'embarras suite au changement des tons des puissances de ce monde vous etonne, c'est marrant. A croire que vous decouvrez les principe des rapports internationaux. Dans 6 mois Peugeot reviendra en Iran, on recevra le chef d'etat iranien en Europe et tout ira dans le meilleur des mondes.
Et l'arabie devra se conformer à son tour en mettant en avant qu'elle etait contre ahmedinejad mais pas contre les iraniens de l'autre coté, le meme discours hypocrite etc c'est plié.

Ne parles pas de principe ,vous n'en avez pas au maroc,quand a recevoir les chefs d’état,nous avons bien vu lorsque vous avez reçu tzipi livni

[ernestito]

Tu peux toujours rêver !!!

c'est que tu méconnais le dossier,

Les Iraniens s’adressent aux Russes car l’embargo les empêche de solliciter à nouveau KWU. En 1995, un accord prévoyant la reconstruction d’un réacteur (sur les deux initiaux) à eau pressurisée d’un GW à Bushehr est signé pour un montant d’environ 1 milliard de dollars. Une somme non négligeable pour la Russie de Boris Eltsine et son l’économie chancelante. -

[bel-court]

Ernestito, sur la bombe atomique iranienne:

si ils l'avaient voulu, ils l'auraient depuis au moins une décennie

Je me suis arrêté là, sérieusement. Trop de naïveté là.

[Redskin]

-Riyadh trahi dans sa haine contre les chiites,
-Le dollar menacé par la Chine,
-L'Iran qui se rachète une conduite respectable à l'image de la Libye d'il y a 10 ans,
-Sotchi, Poutine et les Russes,
-La Corée du Nord qui vocifère puis miaule,
-Une Syrie dont on n'entend plus parler,
-Une dette internationale qui ne sera jamais remboursée,
-Les ressources de la terre sans cesse pillée et un monde qui vit à découvert depuis septembre dernier,
-Des ukrainiens qui veulent l'Europe et les européens qui veulent retourner au système de l'Etat-Nation
-Des pays qui pensent toujours à la technologie nucléaire et des peuples qui veulent s'en désengager traumatisés par un drame Fukushimesque qui ne finit toujours pas
-Un nouveau petit âge glaciaire qui est en train de débuter confirmé par des événements climatiques rarissimes sur les différents coins de la planète,

ou zid ou zid ...

Le jour où l'on comprendra quelque chose sur les véritables enjeux des relations internationales, on aura une grosse part de la vérité universelle.