La Tunisie fait mieux que l'Algérie et le Maroc

[pyrhamid]

plutot d'accord avec jamaloup les filieres pro et privés permettent de tirer vers le haut l'enseignement il ny'a qu'a voir en france avec les grandes ecoles de commerces

[Geass]

geass ça demande enormement de moyens faut pas se leurer , la formation professionelle est plus lourde a gerer que l'université .. l'algerie a été pionniere dans les filieres techniques en collaboration avec les allemands les technicums algeriens etés des merveilles ,de vrais usines s'etendand sur des ha , et equipés , tt celà est entrain d'etre demonté par le ministre du sabotage national, benbouside a decreté cette façon d'enseigner non moderne , il a eliminé les lyces techniques ..
les technicum algeriens recevaient les meilleurs etudiants pour la ptite histoire , ce sont les brillants en math et phisique qui y allaient ..
ce qu'il faut actuellement c'est une gestion moderne , flexible, de la formation , une formation à la carte presque , l'idée parait simple ,mais bcp bcp d'argent est necessaire pour la mettre en place .

Tout à fait. Beaucoup de moyens nécessaires. Mais le budget de l'éducation nationale est le plus élevé au Maroc.
Et pourtant le résultat est catastrophique. Ce qu'il nous faut c'est que les 50-60 ans passent la main à la nouvelle génération. Ils ont déjà fait bien trop de dégâts :22:

[Alloudi]

mets autre chose que( =>) pour la derniere phase alors, ya pas que l'université apres le lycée, sauf si tu veux juste avoir le dernier

je sais ! mais le prolongement usuel du lycée et l'univ

on n'a pas de déperdition zero, non plus le fait que tout le monde continue sur ce circuit normal

[Laayoune]

Allah Izidhom, ce pays la au moins s'occupe plus de son pays que du reste.

Ils ne regardent ni a gauche ni a droite, ils le meritent amplement !

[Mister1979]

I have never heard that Morocco is jealouse of Tunisia.
Tunisia economy is agriculture and tourisme, nothing special.

Morocco is more jealouse of Spain who was 30 years ago on the same economic level as Morocco.

[Mister1979]

It is not fair to compare Tunisia with Morocco and Algeria.
Tunisia started in the sixties with economic reforms, tourisme etc. Algeria was then a socialist economy and Hassan 2 didn't care about Moroccan economy.
Only since a couple years Morocco is reforming its economy and is investing in the country.

[Mister1979]

Investors and economic experts believe more in Morocco then in Tunisia.

Morocco is seen as an emerging market.
Morocco has adavanced status with EU
Morocco has jetset tourist image.

Tunisia is now copying Morocco. The want also jetset tourisme, are building a deep port like Tanger, want advanced status with EU, have opend their property market..

[absent]

Donc, si on suit la logic de certains ici, La tunisie copie le Maroc et si on va loins, l'Algerie est completement jalouse de ce dernier mais ne sait pas quoi faire.

Bon courage les amis,

[Churikan]

Investors and economic experts believe more in Morocco then in Tunisia.

Morocco is seen as an emerging market.
Morocco has adavanced status with EU
Morocco has jetset tourist image.

Tunisia is now copying Morocco. The want also jetset tourisme, are building a deep port like Tanger, want advanced status with EU, have opend their property market..

Both country are attractive but with different way :

1)Tunisia have more qualified people
2)Tunisian infrastructure is better
3)Tunisia is more near to europe and it's in the middle of the mediterrannee
4)Tunisia economy is more integrated to europeen market then any other country in maghreb even better then many new europeen countries.
5) Tunisian Diplomaty is keeping a good relation with almost all countries
6) Tunisian economy is more integrated to the maghreb market.
7) Tunisian economy is also more inegrated to Arabic economy then any other country in the maghreb.
8) Tunisian economy is more stable then any other economy in maghreb
9) Tunisia is gouvernance is better then any other country in the maghreb



1)Maroccan economy is open to USA but closed with algeria
2)Marroco is 3 times populated then Tunisia so Marroccan local market is more attractive...but poverty is also more there
3)Marocco have more natural resources



We admit that Tunisia is copying maroccan tourism but only that !

else what else u have better ??? Really I can't figure anything

[Alloudi]

3)Marocco have more natural resources

dont think so ...
only phosphates doesn't make big deal

We admit that Tunisia is copying maroccan tourism but only that !

what about ...financial market, banking system, logistic (deep port endhifa)

Besides all, the most important part :

Tunisia started in the sixties with economic reforms

[Mister1979]

Both country are attractive but with different way :

1)Tunisia have more qualified people
2)Tunisian infrastructure is better
3)Tunisia is more near to europe and it's in the middle of the mediterrannee
4)Tunisia economy is more integrated to europeen market then any other country in maghreb even better then many new europeen countries.
5) Tunisian Diplomaty is keeping a good relation with almost all countries
6) Tunisian economy is more integrated to the maghreb market.
7) Tunisian economy is also more inegrated to Arabic economy then any other country in the maghreb.
8) Tunisian economy is more stable then any other economy in maghreb
9) Tunisia is gouvernance is better then any other country in the maghreb



1)Maroccan economy is open to USA but closed with algeria
2)Marroco is 3 times populated then Tunisia so Marroccan local market is more attractive...but poverty is also more there
3)Marocco have more natural resources



We admit that Tunisia is copying maroccan tourism but only that !

else what else u have better ??? Really I can't figure anything

Tunisia had a good goverment after independence. The began allready in the sixties with mass investments in tourisme, birth control, economic reforms, good education etc..
Morocco had a bad goverment after independence and Hassan 2 did nothing to develope Morocco.

Morocco had a lot of potential.
Casablanca for example was then the thrid economic city of Africa, but neglected. Tanger was the Marbella of Africa and they had hunderds of foreign companies and a lot of international banks, but Hassan 2 kicked them out.

[Churikan]

what about ...financial market, banking system, logistic (deep port endhifa)

May be for you it's new but not for us it's a very old decision....Since 1991 or 1993 really I forgot it...president of Tunisia promised Tunisian people to make from Tunisia a regional financial center and logistics in africa.

Besides all, the most important part :
Tunisia started in the sixties with economic reforms

Yeah this is the most important that specially you Alloudi you need to understand it )

Some reforms could takes tenths of years to be established....so be more realist when you compare countries !!!

We love marocco as we love Algeria as well as Tunisia and we want to great them for every point of progress.....But when it's time to evaluate our performance, we must be honnest and franc with our selves.

When Tunisia started investing in the Education, At that time Marocco was investigating in agriculture and Algeria in Industry

Now the result is as following : Tunisia is the only country in the region having a positif balance in Agriculture. And Tunisian industrial exportation is also the best in the south of the mediterrannee.

All this because we started investing in the education so early... And until now, we still investing more and even more then any other country in south of the mediterranee. And this is the main point of the leadership of Tunisia

[Alloudi]

Now the result is as following : Tunisia is the only country in the region having a positif balance in Agriculture. And Tunisian industrial exportation is also the best in the south of the mediterrannee.

humhum ..i really dont think so !
you've just told yourself that ....when it's time to evaluate our performance, we must be honnest and franc with our selves.
after all, what you call leadership of tunisia ..apart the fact we note a relatively good performance in education ..you must be compared to lebannon or jordan to undurstand your fake leadership

[Churikan]

humhum ..i really dont think so !
you've just told yourself that ....when it's time to evaluate our performance, we must be honnest and franc with our selves.
after all, what you call leadership of tunisia ..apart the fact we note a relatively good performance in education ..you must be compared to lebannon or jordan to undurstand your fake leadership

Education in Tunisia and Jordan ar the best in the arab world and nobody can deny it.



This is from the Report of UNESCO : World Education Indicators – 2007

Most WEI countries devote a substantially
smaller share of national income to educational
institutions than do OECD countries. Only Chile,
Paraguay and Thailand exceed the OECD average.
However, Malaysia and Tunisia have greater public
investment in education than most OECD countries.

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Even though private expenditure data are not
available for Tunisia, this country can still be
identified as having the highest education
expenditure as a share of GDP among WEI
countries and most likely among OECD countries
as well. Public expenditure alone, at 7.3% in
Tunisia, reaches total expenditure of the group
of top OECD spenders (Denmark, Iceland,
New Zealand, the Republic of Korea, Sweden
and the United States) which ranges from 6.7%
to 8.0%. Malaysia can also be considered a top
spender among WEI countries with an education
expenditure of 5.8% of GDP.
Such high public investment in education make
Malaysia and Tunisia exceptional among WEI
countries. Also Jamaica approaches the OECD
average for public spending (5%). In all other
WEI countries, public spending on education
as a share of GDP is substantially below the
OECD benchmark by one or more percentage
points. Public expenditure in Indonesia, Peru, the
Philippines and Uruguay are below any OECD or
WEI country.

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The lowest shares of GDP invested are found in
Indonesia (0.9%) and Peru (2.2%). On the other
hand, primary- and secondary-level expenditure
in Tunisia (5.5%, public only) exceeds that of
the top-ranking OECD countries, Iceland and
New Zealand. Public and private spending on
primary and secondary education is well above
the OECD average in Jordan (4.2%, public only),
Paraguay (4.1%) and Malaysia (4.0%, public
only) with levels similar to spending in countries
such as Belgium, Finland, France and the United
State. This relatively high spending is even more
remarkable given that participation in secondary
education in WEI countries tends to be lower
than in OECD countries (see Table 4.b).

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Serving lifelong learning needs is an increasingly
important role for education systems. School
life expectancy takes this into account by
including enrolment in formal adult education
programmes at all levels (see Table 4.b). At the
primary level, the share in adult education is
quite low – typically less than 10% for both
WEI and OECD countries. The one exception is
Tunisia, where 16.1% of students in primary
education are enrolled in adult education.

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World Bank commision of Africa

3. Two relative success stories: The case of growth and education in Mauritius and Tunisia

While the above discussion highlights the difficulties involved in educational development strategies
– notably the relevance of new approaches to learning and of complementary steps in other policy areas – some countries have successfully mastered this challenge. While the development of several Asian countries such as the tiger economies and, more recently, China and India, are well known success stories, African examples are relatively rare. The cases of Tunisia and Mauritius, however,show that considerable development based on a human capital strategy has been achieved in some African countries as well.

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Tunisia was a highly regulated economy until the early 1980s. In the following years, and notably after 1986, the Tunisian economy opened itself to the private sector as well as to world export and capital markets. Foreign direct investment increased fivefold since the late 1980s, and exports rose
from 30% of GDP in 1986 to 44% in 1989. This share remained more or less constant until today (World Bank 2004a). As in the Mauritian case, opening went hand in hand with diversification and a gradual increase in demand for human capital. Until the late 1980s, fuel exports, agriculture and mining constituted a sizeable component of Tunisian GDP. Its decreasing importance in the period until 1994 was paralleled by a newly rising share of service and manufacturing industries partly absorbing the growing labour share of women as well as former agricultural workers (World Bank (2004a/b)).
Tunisia also accorded high priority to the development of human resources to match the expected demand on the labour market. The development of enrolment rates over time is similar to the case of Mauritius, but with an even stronger increase in secondary and tertiary enrolment ever since (close to) full primary coverage was reached in the mid 1980s (see Figure 4). Moreover, as opposed to other countries in the Middle East and North African region, Tunisia managed to reach a relatively equal representation of women and men in its highly skilled labour force (with tertiary attainment) – comparable to the share of women in middle-income Asian and Latin-American
countries (OECD/UNESCO-UIS 2003, p. 178). However, it currently seems as if educational development had been faster than developments on the labour market. Figure 4 shows that human capital intensive industries increased their part in GDP only slowly after a single major jump in the mid 1980s. This implies that educational policy, in Tunisia as well, must focus further on the
acquisition of creative competencies which will help students to create their own innovative business plan if no suitable job is readily available. Moreover, further deregulation in certain sectors might be required to increase incentives for private market development (Casero and Varoudakis 2004).

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If you can't understand what these reports are saying that mean you got a poor education.

[Alloudi]

Education in Tunisia and Jordan ar the best in the arab world and nobody can deny it.

i didn't deny it at all !!! ...you didn't get my point, all i've said is that if you (tunisia) as a little country, believe that your relative performance in education on the maghreb makes of you a challenger and a leader...i'm just suggesting you to compare to little countries as yours (jordan and lebannon) although, they've done even better then you do ...they dont consider them selves to be leaders or something like that as you do...

If you can't understand what these reports are saying that mean you got a poor education.

i won't comment this part ..to give you another chance to understand